Сообщение из темы: БЖЖ и реальность

ПИТБУЛЬ · 09.07.2010, 18:04

Veil123

Вот еще вариант правил ADCC по версии авторитетного бразильского сайта.
Здесь за чистые свипы и броски 4 балла не дают. Зато появилось взятие спины, это как раз то, о чем я писал (что это не свип) и что неудачно проиллюстрировал на видео Tape Out.

Обрати внимание на описание свипа - относительно того, что он выполняется из гарда или хэлф-гарда. Именно поэтому также было написано на сайте ЛИОН, ведь они как раз под патронажем Грейси Барры работают.

И обрати внимание на описание тэйкдауна. Если был бросок именно на спину, то в этом случае никакой фиксации позиции не требуется. Я думаю, ты не правильно понял относительно фиксации после смены позиций. Фиксация позиции 3 секунды нужна когда подряд следуют несколько смен позиций. Чтобы разделить их нужна фиксация. Например зайдя в позицию КОЛЕНО НА ЖИВОТЕ и получив за это баллы, можно зайти в МАУНТ и получить еще баллы, а потом опять вернуться к КОЛЕНУ НА ЖИВОТЕ и снова взять баллы. Но каждая из этих позиций должна фиксироваться 3 секунды.

Сообщение от Veil123

что бросать нужно только на спину, ты откуда взял?

Вот и на форуме SHERDOG человек жалуется, что в ADCC тэйкдауны не на спину не оцениваются ... http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/adcc-rules-521983/

ADCC Rules

Tournament Format:
Beginners – 6 minutes rounds – Points not awarded in the first 3 minutes.
Advanced – 10 minutes rounds – Points not awarded in the first 5 minutes.

Points System:
2 points Take Downs
3 points Pass The Guard
2 points Knee on belly
4 points The Mount
4 points The Back Grab
2 points The Sweep

Weight Classes:
Men
Rooster 140 – below
Feather: 140.1 – 154
Light: 154.1 – 170
Middle: 170.1 – 185
Cruiser: 185.1 – 204
Heavy: 204.1 – 225
Super H 225.1 and over
Women
Rooster 115 – below
Feather: 116 – 130
Light: 131 – 155
Middle: 156 – Above

The Points System:

TAKE DOWNS: 2 points
Any kind of knocking down of the opponent on his back side, (if the opponent lands on his front side or on all fours rather than the backside, no points will be awarded).

PASSING THE GUARD: 3 points
Is when the athlete that is above his adversary or in between his legs, moves to his opponent’s side, establishing a perpendicular or longitudinal position over his adversary’s trunk, dominating him and leaving him no space to move or to escape the position. The athlete must demonstrate clear control to score.

KNEE ON THE BELLY: 2 points
When the athlete on top puts his knee on his adversary’s stomach, holding his collar or sleeve and belt with his other leg towards his adversary’s head. No time limit is required, however the athlete must demonstrate clear control to score.

THE MOUNT: 4 points
Is when the athlete sits on his opponent’s torso; the opponent can be lying on his stomach, side or back. The athlete must have both knees on the ground, or in the case of a technical mount (properly performed according to the referee), the front foot flat on the mat and the rear knee on the mat.

THE BACK GRAB: 4 points
Is when the athlete grabs his adversary’s back, taking hold of his neck and wrapping his legs around his opponent’s waist, with his heels leaning on the inner side of his opponent’s thighs, not allowing him to leave the position.

THE SWEEP: 2 points
Is when the athlete that is underneath has his opponent in his guard (in between his legs ) or the half guard (having one of his adversary’s legs between his) and is able to get on top of his adversary by inverting his position.

IMPORTANT
The athlete cannot have scored new points when he is in a position where he received points previously, changes position intentionally and returns to the same position. Example: For knee on the belly and switching sides, there will be no new points awarded.

Illegal Techniques:
Please note that illegal techniques will likely get you disqualified and kicked out of the tournament. We do not want see competitors sustaining injuries.
· No neck cranks “can opener”
· No striking of any kind
· No eye gouging or fish hooking
· No grabbing the ears
· No hair pulling
· No finger or toe holds
· No thumbing
· No scratching and pinching
· No kicking
· No biting
· No touching groin area
· No hands, knees or elbows on face
· No slippery substances allowed on body or clothing

Winning by
· Submission
· Points
· Referee Decision

*** After 3 minutes for beginners and 5 for advanced, points will only be awarded after a pass, sweep, takedown, mount or etc happens. For example, a competitor is mounted at 2:59 (beginner) or 4:59 (advanced) into the bout, those points will not be awarded, points will be only awarded after the next position of control (back mount, takedown, sweep etc.). In other words, points will just be awarded for moves that started after the 3 minutes (beginners) or 5 minutes (advanced). ***

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ПИТБУЛЬ Сообщений: 13,085 Миксов: 500 Рейтинг мнений: 6666 Сказал(а) спасибо: 22,217 Поблагодарили: 14,687 Регистрация: 09.08.2007 Адрес: Тверь	09.07.2010, 18:04 Veil123 Вот еще вариант правил ADCC по версии авторитетного бразильского сайта. Здесь за чистые свипы и броски 4 балла не дают. Зато появилось взятие спины, это как раз то, о чем я писал (что это не свип) и что неудачно проиллюстрировал на видео Tape Out. Обрати внимание на описание свипа - относительно того, что он выполняется из гарда или хэлф-гарда. Именно поэтому также было написано на сайте ЛИОН, ведь они как раз под патронажем Грейси Барры работают. И обрати внимание на описание тэйкдауна. Если был бросок именно на спину, то в этом случае никакой фиксации позиции не требуется. Я думаю, ты не правильно понял относительно фиксации после смены позиций. Фиксация позиции 3 секунды нужна когда подряд следуют несколько смен позиций. Чтобы разделить их нужна фиксация. Например зайдя в позицию КОЛЕНО НА ЖИВОТЕ и получив за это баллы, можно зайти в МАУНТ и получить еще баллы, а потом опять вернуться к КОЛЕНУ НА ЖИВОТЕ и снова взять баллы. Но каждая из этих позиций должна фиксироваться 3 секунды. Сообщение от Veil123 что бросать нужно только на спину, ты откуда взял? Вот и на форуме SHERDOG человек жалуется, что в ADCC тэйкдауны не на спину не оцениваются ... http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/adcc-rules-521983/ ADCC Rules Tournament Format: Beginners – 6 minutes rounds – Points not awarded in the first 3 minutes. Advanced – 10 minutes rounds – Points not awarded in the first 5 minutes. Points System: 2 points Take Downs 3 points Pass The Guard 2 points Knee on belly 4 points The Mount 4 points The Back Grab 2 points The Sweep Weight Classes: Men Rooster 140 – below Feather: 140.1 – 154 Light: 154.1 – 170 Middle: 170.1 – 185 Cruiser: 185.1 – 204 Heavy: 204.1 – 225 Super H 225.1 and over Women Rooster 115 – below Feather: 116 – 130 Light: 131 – 155 Middle: 156 – Above The Points System: TAKE DOWNS: 2 points Any kind of knocking down of the opponent on his back side, (if the opponent lands on his front side or on all fours rather than the backside, no points will be awarded). PASSING THE GUARD: 3 points Is when the athlete that is above his adversary or in between his legs, moves to his opponent’s side, establishing a perpendicular or longitudinal position over his adversary’s trunk, dominating him and leaving him no space to move or to escape the position. The athlete must demonstrate clear control to score. KNEE ON THE BELLY: 2 points When the athlete on top puts his knee on his adversary’s stomach, holding his collar or sleeve and belt with his other leg towards his adversary’s head. No time limit is required, however the athlete must demonstrate clear control to score. THE MOUNT: 4 points Is when the athlete sits on his opponent’s torso; the opponent can be lying on his stomach, side or back. The athlete must have both knees on the ground, or in the case of a technical mount (properly performed according to the referee), the front foot flat on the mat and the rear knee on the mat. THE BACK GRAB: 4 points Is when the athlete grabs his adversary’s back, taking hold of his neck and wrapping his legs around his opponent’s waist, with his heels leaning on the inner side of his opponent’s thighs, not allowing him to leave the position. THE SWEEP: 2 points Is when the athlete that is underneath has his opponent in his guard (in between his legs ) or the half guard (having one of his adversary’s legs between his) and is able to get on top of his adversary by inverting his position. IMPORTANT The athlete cannot have scored new points when he is in a position where he received points previously, changes position intentionally and returns to the same position. Example: For knee on the belly and switching sides, there will be no new points awarded. Illegal Techniques: Please note that illegal techniques will likely get you disqualified and kicked out of the tournament. We do not want see competitors sustaining injuries. · No neck cranks “can opener” · No striking of any kind · No eye gouging or fish hooking · No grabbing the ears · No hair pulling · No finger or toe holds · No thumbing · No scratching and pinching · No kicking · No biting · No touching groin area · No hands, knees or elbows on face · No slippery substances allowed on body or clothing Winning by · Submission · Points · Referee Decision * After 3 minutes for beginners and 5 for advanced, points will only be awarded after a pass, sweep, takedown, mount or etc happens. For example, a competitor is mounted at 2:59 (beginner) or 4:59 (advanced) into the bout, those points will not be awarded, points will be only awarded after the next position of control (back mount, takedown, sweep etc.). In other words, points will just be awarded for moves that started after the 3 minutes (beginners) or 5 minutes (advanced). * Последний раз редактировалось ПИТБУЛЬ; 09.07.2010 в 19:13.